Comments on: Lies, Damn Lies… http://access.jiscinvolve.org/wp/lies-damn-lies/ federating access management Wed, 18 Jan 2012 08:35:24 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: nicole http://access.jiscinvolve.org/wp/lies-damn-lies/comment-page-1/#comment-108 nicole Thu, 04 Mar 2010 11:58:11 +0000 http://access.jiscinvolve.org/lies-damn-lies/#comment-108 Thanks Ross, I meant only from the authentication end rather than statistical review at the resource end. Should have made that clearer ;-) Thanks Ross, I meant only from the authentication end rather than statistical review at the resource end. Should have made that clearer ;-)

]]> By: Ross MacIntyre http://access.jiscinvolve.org/wp/lies-damn-lies/comment-page-1/#comment-107 Ross MacIntyre Thu, 04 Mar 2010 11:49:02 +0000 http://access.jiscinvolve.org/lies-damn-lies/#comment-107 Nicole, In the posing above you attribute the JISC Usage Statistics Review Report to PIRUS, however, the <a href="http://www.jisc.ac.uk/media/documents/programmes/pals3/pirus_finalreport.pdf" title="PIRUS" rel="nofollow">PIRUS report</a> is a different document. I agree with you that the eduPerson attributes are appropriate candidates should you be wishing to identify an individual user's usage. But we were/are coming at it more from the more general aggregation end - 'how much in total?'. The Berlin meeting, the genesis for the JISC Report, went quite deeply into the various national Data Protection implications of IP addresses being used (an ongoing debate). It didn't resrict discussion to where federated access management was operational. I do promise to uphold the UK federation perspective where appropriate. I would take issue with your opening salvo that "...usage statistic work has mumbled on in the background but there hasn’t been any significant work in this area..."! The development (started via PALS) and subsequent global adoption of COUNTER for Journal, DBs, eBooks etc and latterly SUSHI represent significant work and are IMHO more than mumbles ;^) Cheers, Ross Nicole,
In the posing above you attribute the JISC Usage Statistics Review Report to PIRUS, however, the PIRUS report is a different document.
I agree with you that the eduPerson attributes are appropriate candidates should you be wishing to identify an individual user’s usage. But we were/are coming at it more from the more general aggregation end – ‘how much in total?’.
The Berlin meeting, the genesis for the JISC Report, went quite deeply into the various national Data Protection implications of IP addresses being used (an ongoing debate). It didn’t resrict discussion to where federated access management was operational. I do promise to uphold the UK federation perspective where appropriate.

I would take issue with your opening salvo that “…usage statistic work has mumbled on in the background but there hasn’t been any significant work in this area…”! The development (started via PALS) and subsequent global adoption of COUNTER for Journal, DBs, eBooks etc and latterly SUSHI represent significant work and are IMHO more than mumbles ;^)

Cheers,
Ross

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