Where’s the Gain?

This morning at #tnc2010 we kick off with a meeting on eduGain. In the past, I have always assumed that the UK would not be able to participate in eduGain due to its rather onerous entry level – mandatory attributes simply don’t fly in the UK. I still have some concerns, and think the lighterweight metadata aggregation process will be more successful in the longterm but I think we have to step up and at least try to address the requirements. It could still be that we fail.

Ingrid Melve asks why we need a centralised service for eduGain if it is an interfederation model? Valter Nordh paints a picture of a future service operation of 1 FTE – this will still be too heavyweight for some people and raises sustainability questions.

What happens to eduGain when the GEANT project stops? It has to have a home. Policy will need to be addressed and tweaked, and there needs to be a place for this to be agreed. REFEDS might have a role to play here, but it will be essential for the 20.3 FTEs assigned to eduGAIN to spend sometime planning this future.

For me at the moment I’m afraid it is less eduGain but where’s the gain? I’m going to push the appropriate people in the UK to see if we can be full participants but I don’t think the eduGain team, the closed development processes and the lack of future planning are making this a particularly easy case for us to sell.

2 thoughts on “Where’s the Gain?

  1. Theo Grezny

    “For me at the moment I’m afraid it is less eduGain but where’s the gain? I’m going to push the appropriate people in the UK to see if we can be full participants but I don’t think the eduGain team, the closed development processes and the lack of future planning are making this a particularly easy case for us to sell. ”

    In order to be granted access to protected resources and services from other federations, users need to first be successfully authenticated by their home AAI and authorised by the visited Service Provider (usually based on attributes expressing a special role of the user). eduGAIN provides the technology necessary for carrying out these steps and thus interconnecting different AAI systems. It therefore plays the role of a confederation – a federation of federations.

  2. Ron Hartwell

    The problem is that any federation is a give and take situation. Individual units give up autonomy in exchange for some benefits. I’m not sure that the benefits are in line with the complexities. Still it is the type of thing one can only be certain of in retrospect.

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